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Post by Taylor Swift on Wed 17 Oct 2012, 21:10

Hi,

Season 5 check-in has now been opened. All players are now free agents and are able to move to different teams should they choose to. Players are still free to move between teams even after they sign to a team, up until the first match of the season.

Make sure you read this thread before posting. You can then create your team's thread in this section

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Post by Éver on Wed 17 Oct 2012, 22:26

ROLEX FOR CAPTAINCY

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Post by Guest on Wed 17 Oct 2012, 22:32

Squad size?

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Post by Lekumberri on Wed 17 Oct 2012, 22:34

8 teams in Div1 and 10 teams in Div2 but not an odd number... That's a shit for people like Jack Nicholson in "As good as it gets" or me...

Please reconsider it for maniac people.

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Post by <º)))< on Wed 17 Oct 2012, 22:42

Or 10 teams in div 1.

I want HKF promoted Sad

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Re: Season 5 Checking In

Post by HCAFC on Wed 17 Oct 2012, 22:55

So every matchday a team is left out? Do 8+10 IMO

9+9 = two teams are left out on every matchday
10+8 = top 4 from S4 div2 get promotions (almost half the division), div2 season ends sooner so all focus is on div1 finale
8+10 = div1 keeps its exclusivity, and div2 has plenty of competition for promotion, but D1 finishes first


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Post by Ghost on Wed 17 Oct 2012, 23:07

Donny wrote:Squad size?

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Post by Joehan on Wed 17 Oct 2012, 23:29

what about trades and that, we doing that contract thing?

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Re: Season 5 Checking In

Post by Taylor Swift on Wed 17 Oct 2012, 23:33

Will be announced when we know more.

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Post by Aidizzle on Wed 17 Oct 2012, 23:52

HCAFC wrote:So every matchday a team is left out? Do 8+10 IMO

9+9 = two teams are left out on every matchday
10+8 = top 4 from div2 get promotions, div2 season ends sooner so all focus is on div1 finale
8+10 = div1 keeps its exclusivity, and div2 has plenty of competition for promotion
I'd go with this. Four less matches to play, could even have a D2 cup or promotion playoffs at the end of the season in that four game gap.

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Re: Season 5 Checking In

Post by Taylor Swift on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 00:03

Well, that backfired.

Gnaw's team pulled out because apparently they can't play sundays (then why ask to join?), so we've just gone back to how it was. Sorry to HKF and to anyone who has been inconvenienced by this.

Krasic's team will be a reserve team standing by to replace any team we deem too inactive (3 deflosses) or if the captain quits.

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Post by Lekumberri on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 00:06

Or put 10 teams in Div1 no problem, but 10+8 or 8+10...

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Post by Constantinople on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 01:26

I think making a 10 team div1 and an 8 team div2 is the way to go. Promote us and Starlights to div1 to void the gap and allow Krasics team and another team (shouldn't be too much of a problem finding one more team in a month, I was thinking of placing an advert on TS and on the forums advertising a free spot for a team) to enter the league. This allows for Div1 to be the main focus of the league and in return, makes both divisions more competitive (div1 teams fighting for survival/league, div2 teams fighting to be in the spotlight of div1/promotion). This method will also get others intrigued in playing in the Feed Me League and allow competitiveness as well as the fun factor that FM has always strived for. Plus as more people are joining the community side of FM, adding the two new teams will allow more people to be involved.

Plus doing it this way makes the final day of the season more tense. More people will want to see what happens on the final day. It also allows for the admins to fully focus on that day to make sure it runs as smoothly as possible. Also, division 2 teams will have their fair share of spotlight too, with the even division it is likely to be, promotion will go to the wire.

Adding new teams will freshen up the league and will offer Feed Me more healthy competition. In past seasons, the new teams have been shown to gazump the older teams and prove to be stellar competition in the league (examples being Aquopolis S3, GIJ Season 4, Pablo Haxobar Season 4). These teams have been shown to give Div1 sides a run for their money and I am sure the new teams can provide the same if they allowed, making for a more competitive, yet fun FM.
To conclude my post, I think having 18 teams in the league (10 in division 1, 8 in division 2) is the best route to go as it offers competition to all teams and puts the limelight on div1 (similar to the Premier League is the most focused on in England or the Bundesliga is in Germany). It will also make Div2 teams more hungry for success and try and knock out these Div1 teams in the cup. People play in FM because of the community feeling which makes the games all that fun and I can see Season 5 being a blast so why not let others get involved? It doesn’t feel right to exclude them from the league or have them as a ‘backup team’. All teams should be involved and create that unity that FM is known for, so please rethink this decision. A div1 with 10 teams is manageable and a div2 with 8 teams is more than manageable. 18 teams is a good size this season and gives us room to grow and maybe expand the 2nd division to 10 teams next season as 8 teams gives us a lot of room to manoeuvre. Remember, season 4 was seen as a massive transition from 3s to 4s and going from around a 60 player base to a 146 (was it) player base, so it was a big jump. Towards the end of the season however things brightened up, less defwins, less 3v4’s etc, so it seems silly to shrink the league by such a huge amount. So please reconsider, administrators.

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Post by s.signorelli on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 03:41

oh the irony; this seems like a repeat of my career at hl, signing up to the league so i can captain my own team, im told by the admin(s) that i dont have enough experience or some shit like that, so i join a team (hl all stars and fm caths) then the league is desperate for teams smh. yes you could say i could leave my team, but im too loyal for that. Mad

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Post by Ghost on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 12:13

We are just sticking with the 2x8's. Having 2x9's or 1x10/1x8 not only makes the league a bit annoying to schedule but it also fucks the cup(s) up. At least with 16 teams we can run two cups with straight knockout rounds without having to piss around with bye's and group stages, thus forcing us to remove one of the cups because we don't have time for it.

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Post by Constantinople on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:10

Well how about 2 divisions of 10 then, like last season? As I suggested before, promote us and Starlights and make div1 a 10 man league, and allow for 4 new teams to participate (we already have 2 interests, Krasic’s team and Skele7a’s team). If the Germans can create two new divisions in a matter of weeks because of new teams wanting to sign up, then it should be easy for us to get just 2 other teams. It freshens things up and could potentially bring more people into the community side of FM and as I suggested in my previous post it makes things more competitive and fun.

The idea I have on getting these teams is to create an advert on TS and on the forums saying that FM is looking for 4 new teams to fill the hole. Then choose which applicants we can trial and dismiss those who we wouldn’t think are suitable. Then we trial these teams over a space of two week and they will be trialled on activeness, enthusiasm to play in the league and attitude towards the league. We then choose 4 of the teams to fill the 4 spots left available and go from there. If we don’t get enough quality applicants then fair enough, but I think we should really try this. The amount of defwins at the end of the season were dramatically reduced with a 20 team league. We shouldn’t look to reduce imo, I think the league can be more than stable with 10 teams, it’s all about finding the right applicants for the role.

I think the admins should reconsider this decision and allow for applications to go through. It’s like being the manager of a factory that tin salmon. You have 8 people working in the factory and 2 of those are tinners. You are looking for a 3rd tinner when suddenly you decide that 2 is enough without even thinking of taking applicants on. You then find out later that there is a quality tinner who was unemployed and now works in one of the leading salmon tinning factories in the country. Go bold and go forward. Trial new teams and go from there imo. There’s only ever going to be one Feed Me UK league. Let’s make it the best darn 20 man league in the history of Haxball leagues. Acuerdo?

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Re: Season 5 Checking In

Post by Taylor Swift on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:16

One flaw in your plan hesur: I dont want to go up to div 1 in that manner, I want to earn it.

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Post by Constantinople on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:18

Rachel wrote:One flaw in your plan hesur: I dont want to go up to div 1 in that manner, I want to earn it.

Offer 6th place to div1 then?

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Post by Taylor Swift on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:22

Lol 6th place div 2..? Is that a serious suggestion? You really want to promote a team that cant even break into the top half on division 2? Hesur pls think

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Post by socrates on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 14:26

7th place imo
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Post by Muddade on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 15:15

Constantinople wrote:It freshens things up and could potentially bring more people into the community side of FM and as I suggested in my previous post it makes things more competitive and fun.

Erm it will still be just as competitive, everyone's still fighting for the same thing?

The idea I have on getting these teams is to create an advert on TS and on the forums saying that FM is looking for 4 new teams to fill the hole. Then choose which applicants we can trial and dismiss those who we wouldn’t think are suitable. Then we trial these teams over a space of two week and they will be trialled on activeness, enthusiasm to play in the league and attitude towards the league. We then choose 4 of the teams to fill the 4 spots left available and go from there. If we don’t get enough quality applicants then fair enough, but I think we should really try this. The amount of defwins at the end of the season were dramatically reduced with a 20 team league. We shouldn’t look to reduce imo, I think the league can be more than stable with 10 teams, it’s all about finding the right applicants for the role.

Trial them? How exactly and that's a lot of effort.

Erm what? We've only ever had a couple of forfeits in the past seasons?!?!

I think the admins should reconsider this decision and allow for applications to go through. It’s like being the manager of a factory that tin salmon. You have 8 people working in the factory and 2 of those are tinners. You are looking for a 3rd tinner when suddenly you decide that 2 is enough without even thinking of taking applicants on. You then find out later that there is a quality tinner who was unemployed and now works in one of the leading salmon tinning factories in the country. Go bold and go forward. Trial new teams and go from there imo. There’s only ever going to be one Feed Me UK league. Let’s make it the best darn 20 man league in the history of Haxball leagues. Acuerdo?


Imo keep these teams as reserves to be put it in case any captains do leave this season therefore meaning we have a quick replacement and not loads of auto-wildcarded matches like Cathletico had.

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Post by OvoXo on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 16:15

Well no point having reserve teams in case someone drops out, what if no one drops out, then what? Personally the more teams that leave div 2 and go up to div 1 and more teams created, just makes div 2 suck so bad. Personally I reckon 8 teams in each division is sooo tight, lack of breathiompetition is too high, one slip up and cya. So 9 teams at makes it reasonable at least, 10 is uncontrollable and high chances of it going wrong again.

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Post by OvoXo on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 16:16

Well no point having reserve teams in case someone drops out, what if no one drops out, then what? Personally the more teams that leave div 2 and go up to div 1 and more teams created, just makes div 2 suck so bad. Personally I reckon 8 teams in each division is sooo tight, lack of breathiompetition is too high, one slip up and cya. So 9 teams at makes it reasonable at least, 10 is uncontrollable and high chances of it going wrong again. I'm actually come up with a solution and not moan.

Krasic teams plus one more team ( TIS II ) then get it rolling,

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Post by Ghost on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 16:42

OvoXo wrote:what if no one drops out

There's a ridiculously strong chance of it happening, to be honest. We've already discussed a couple of existing teams we are confident will be prone to captain resignations at some point during the season.

We need to be as stable as possible, after the clusterfuck that was last season we really need a nice, easy, comfortable season to get the ball rolling smoothly again. The best way of achieving that is keeping 16 teams running, and having someone willing to take over for when someone steps down.

I'd hate for us to have nothing in reserve and have 2 teams fold mid season, leaving us scrambling trying to find a replacement as fast as we can. What happened last season(in regards to the likes of DM & Cathletico) should never happen again, it makes us look like a joke.

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Post by OvoXo on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 17:43

I completely understand that, this season was a massive cock fest. But at the same time you can't like try your best to have a season that's 100% controlable, anything can happen, there will always be room for error.

So reall up to you guys what you want, stable season, , competetive, boring as fuck or a fairly stable season with satisfactory amount of teams, breathing space, sce to have fun the jump from 16 to 20 was too much but from 16 to 18 seems like a steeping stone imo

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Post by Constantinople on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 17:58

Imo keep these teams as reserves to be put it in case any captains do leave this season therefore meaning we have a quick replacement and not loads of auto-wildcarded matches like Cathletico had.

Prehaps if we ask people to apply and we get say 6 applicants, the 2 that don’t get it can always be there as reserve teams.


Well no point having reserve teams in case someone drops out, what if no one drops out, then what? Personally the more teams that leave div 2 and go up to div 1 and more teams created, just makes div 2 suck so bad. Personally I reckon 8 teams in each division is sooo tight, lack of breathiompetition is too high, one slip up and cya. So 9 teams at makes it reasonable at least, 10 is uncontrollable and high chances of it going wrong again.

I think people are forgetting that wildcards/3v4 games happened less frequently as the season was coming to a close. The draft was responsible for the majority of the mess in Season 4, as well as having the free agency open after 3 or 4 games. People are also forgetting that the player based more than doubled from the transition of Season 3 to Season 4, so of course there is going to be problems to begin with. Season 4 was like a creased shirt. At the beginning it was all crumpled up and a mess, and as the season went along, the creases disappeared and the season began to iron out. No draft means we should be able to manage 10 teams per division easily (if we get enough quality applicants). Plus on what you say about div2, the teams that are applying are potentially good teams. Krasic, a player in ESL will know a lot of contacts who would play for him and Skele7a is a Bulgarian International. Plus you are forgetting teams such as Soccerettes, Starlights and Bayer Neverlosing are also looking to be strong outfits for next season, so saying that Div2 will suck quality wise is an understatement.


There's a ridiculously strong chance of it happening, to be honest. We've already discussed a couple of existing teams we are confident will be prone to captain resignations at some point during the season.

We need to be as stable as possible, after the clusterfuck that was last season we really need a nice, easy, comfortable season to get the ball rolling smoothly again. The best way of achieving that is keeping 16 teams running, and having someone willing to take over for when someone steps down.

I'd hate for us to have nothing in reserve and have 2 teams fold mid season, leaving us scrambling trying to find a replacement as fast as we can. What happened last season(in regards to the likes of DM & Cathletico) should never happen again, it makes us look like a joke.

Of course theres a really strong chance of teams disbanding, which is why we gather as many applicants as we can. New teams that apply to play in the Feed Me league are less likely to disband as it shows willing to play in our league. As I said in reply to Maddude’s post, if we open up spots for 4 new teams and 6 apply, the two who don’t get it can always be reserve teams. Season 5 will be stable if we stick to a 10 man league because as I said in reply to OvoXo’s post, season 4 was a transitional season from 3s to 4s. At the time, the player base wasn’t enough for 10 teams per league, now it is. A 16 team league is too small imo with the player base we have, we need to fill out. 18 team league as a minimum, 20 as a maximum imo. Plus you have to remember that the advantages that FM have over other European based leagues is that the native language is English, which is classed as the universal language. This is going to make more people want to play here as we will have a forum flooded with language that most understand. Plus i’m sure that Feed Me has a reputation of being a friendly and relaxed league, which is only going to push more people to submit a team here. If we do it right, i.e. trial new teams for a few week to assess activity, maturity and commitment to the league, then I can’t see it being a ‘clusterfuck’ as you say it will be.

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Post by OvoXo on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 19:57

Hesur these shakespeare essays are becoming unbearable to read, pls Sad

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Post by <º)))< on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 22:02

Tbh I also prefer a 10 teams league.

We had a reasonably stable second half of the league, and Im pretty sure that we can get a couple of teams interested in joining our league.

A 8 teams league doesnt guarantee that any team will disband after all.


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Post by MoMo on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 22:47

I agree with Hesur, the potential is still there for a fruitful strong 9/9 league. Maybe, after everything is settled and all teams are ready to go with season 5 and if there are many active & willing players, an application for captaincy thread could be made. But that's after teams are set and we see there're plenty players still seeking a team.

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Post by Lekumberri on Thu 18 Oct 2012, 22:58

So do I. Prefer 10 teams in main league, thinking it better. Anything better than 9+9 but tbh I prefer 10+8 before 8+8. I know some teams have been disbanded but we can give the oportunity to more committed people.

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Post by -rising.star- on Sat 20 Oct 2012, 11:17

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