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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 21:35

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If a player disconnects from the game the neutral match admin has the right to pause the game to allow the player time to rejoin. Should the player be unable to rejoin a substitution will be allowed. Please note that should this effect a goal scoring opportunity you should not pause the game and instead wait for the chance to be defended or scored.

Joehan stopped the game when we had a clear goal scoring opportunity which would have been scored if the game had not been paused.

First of all no players disconnected so there was no need to stop the game.

Second of all the rule states "Please note that should this effect a goal scoring opportunity you should not pause the game and instead wait for the chance to be defended or scored." that did not happen Fabien could have knocked the ball into the net and it would have been 2-1 completely changing the game.

This pause changed the match for us as we scored later on in the game it was still 2-1 instead of 2-2 this meant we had to be more attackive and we ended up conceding another goal as we had to be so attackive to try and get something out of the game.

Also my players feel it cost us the match as well

<20:26:51> "Enza": and him pausing the game.. well i dont know. woulda been 2:2. had to play offensive cause the score was 2:1

Ultimately this cost us the game. Anyone watching the second half would've know that we would not have lost that game if we dint need to go all out attack.

So what happens now then ? A rule was broke cost us the match, its completely unfair if we dont get some sort of rematch out this or something, ovo knows himself that theres not a hope in hell they would have won the match if we had got that goal.




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Post by Taylor Swift on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 21:39

yeh the timing of the pause was an abomination

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Post by OvoXo on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 21:42

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6:46 to 6:56

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 21:44

Ovo where in the rules does it say you are allowed to pause it if a player says pause ?

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Post by OvoXo on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 21:45

I didn't pause it though.

Well Aidan do you think it would have been a fair goal if you scored?

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 21:48

Yes obviously juch hardly stopped the only one to really stop was nino and when he shouldnt have

The pause should never have happened and we should have had a goal.

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Post by Taylor Swift on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 21:49

Fair goal or not, if it aint in the rules then it aint in the rules, you cant make a rule up just cause its "unfair", if Aidan chooses to take an unfair goal then its at his own discretion

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 21:53

Exactly how is my fault your player stopped ? we should have had a goal, it would have been a goal if not for that pause

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Post by OvoXo on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 21:57

To give back a goal that was never scored. Ridiculous.

To be 100% certain Fabien would have scored that goal is ridiculous too. No offence to Fabien, but you were poor through out the game, and you're not exactly world class striker. So anything could have happened.

Also If you scored that goal, it wouldn't be fair play.

What your players should have done is stopped when nino,beast and juhc stopped. They clearly saw it and aren't blind. If you failed to play fair then I should fail to play fair as well, and not give you back a re-match or a goal.

Honestly if your players stopped, then we ALL would have come to a mutual agreement to pause the game.

To score a goal when 3/4 players stopped and then claim it WOULD have gone in is daft.

Its a shame this happened tbh

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:01

Why the fuck would my players stop ? its not in the rules to stop is it, so why on gods earth should they stop ?

We all know it was going to be a goal.

for a start we were pounding you are a minute just about to score before nino said pause, juch hardly stopped he tried to stop kaos crossing the ball in.

There is no where in the rules where it says the game should be stopped because a player said pause, if your players stop thats your problem i should play on thats the rules and we did that and then we were about to score the game was illegally paused.

It changed the whole match Monkees would have drawn at the least if that goal had went in.


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Post by Taylor Swift on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:11

shouldn't be a case of being fair and re-matching, should be admin intervention and force rematch, whether players stopped or not, a clear goal scoring opportunity was denied and ultimately probably affected the outcome, common sense to rematch really

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:15

http://i.imgur.com/ZobMC.png

So, the game was paused so that nino could answer the phone ? Unbelievable.

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Post by Muddade on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:15

Rules also state this:

"Players must always use their forum names when participating in official league & cup matches. Failure to do so may result in the fixture being voided or result being reversed. Should there be any doubts about player impersonation before the game starts, the player in question must confirm their identity on the forum chatbox."

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:17

Nino ? what about X

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Post by gavin peacock on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:17

dont think fab would of scored it tbh

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:18

Ovoxos name was ovo in the room

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:18

Yaadon was playing whos that ? oh i forgot they cheated the draft and signed him up as yaa ?

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:19

Nice argument mad really turned out well

3 name violations vs 1 ?

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Post by Dooms on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:26

Aidan wrote:Nino ? what about X

nino's name is nino on fm Razz

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:26

Alright no problem

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:27

Lets get back to the real business everyone can see its unfair and unjust rematch has to be in order

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Post by mlfaijati on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:36

Ok so say Joehan didn't pause and Fabien scored, there would be a shitstorm about the fact that DM scored when 3 of the TI players had stopped which would not be fairplay etc. So either way, Joehan was in a shit position in which he could not do anything that could please everyone.


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Post by Taylor Swift on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:37

gavin peacock wrote:dont think fab would of scored it tbh

That's besides the point, the rule states you can't pause when it disrupts a clear goal scoring opportunity

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:37

No there wouldnt ? because he shouldnt have paused, the pause should never have happened never mind stop a goal

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Post by Taylor Swift on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:38

mlfaijati wrote:Ok so say Joehan didn't pause and Fabien scored, there would be a shitstorm about the fact that DM scored when 3 of the TI players had stopped which would not be fairplay etc. So either way, Joehan was in a shit position in which he could not do anything that could please everyone.


A shitstorm about that would have been pointless, there's nothing in the rules against unfair play, it would have been sparta's fault for stopping

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:38

The pause completley fucks up his timing and everything he ended up miss-kicking it so

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:51

The thing thats getting me is everyone saying he should have paused earlier lul

HE SHOULD NO HAVE PAUSED AT ALL BECAUSE NINOS PHONE RANG.

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Post by Cam_Sampbell on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:52

I think out of fairness, the game should be played again. With the mistake by Ghost last season in Ajhax v Bayern where the game was stopped in an error, and it could be fixed in the game. But with this, it couldn't be fixed, and despite nobody having the intention to do it, or to gain from it, it happened, and the only fair way to resolve it is to replay the game.

Like with player impersonation (like Ajhax v LPC), it's a factor that had the potential to make one team gain an advantage unfairly, and it could not be resolved in the game, so a replay was played, and this should happen here.


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Post by anglo on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:54

This is so silly. And asking for a rematch? We didnt pause the game, joehan did, it wasnt our fault.

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Post by Cam_Sampbell on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 22:56

I've said that, and the only way for it to be fair is for the game to be replayed. Nobody meant to do it, nobody planned it, but Sparta had the potential to gain from it as DM were in a goalscoring position (I say potential, as this isn't an argument of whether he would have scored it, it's that he could have done).

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Post by anglo on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:03

So that's fair haha? Sparta had 2-0 at that moment, and won 3-1. To play a rematch because joe paused and "might have denied a goal" doesnt sound fair to me.

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:07

The game would have been 2-2 at the point in the match if the goal went in yeah ?

This would mean a completely different style of play for Monkees as we were still going all out attack which forced us to concede a goal,where as if it was 2-2 we would have been able to sit back and hit on the counter and not concede therefore the match would have probably remained at 2-2 or even the way the second half was going anyone watching it would have know at 2-2 we would have been clear favourites to go on and win.

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Post by Cam_Sampbell on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:07

anglo wrote:So that's fair haha? Sparta had 2-0 at that moment, and won 3-1. To play a rematch because joe paused and "might have denied a goal" doesnt sound fair to me.

So it's fair that Sparta gained an advantage from an outside factor?

What could happen if this isn't fixed? Someone could see this, and make an arrangement with an admin to cause more scenarios like this to aid their teams. By replaying the game, FM will show that it won't let admin errors go by untouched, despite no-one wanting these errors to have happened.

If you don't want to win fairly, then you don't deserve to win imo.

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Post by anglo on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:12

2-0.

No it isnt fair Cam. And that's just a silly comment. It could be the other way around then, they wanted admin to pause to get a rematch cuz they were down 2-0.

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:14

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 2-2

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Post by OvoXo on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:14

This is absolute bollocks you guys are talking about.

1. We didn't match fix this game. For someone to even think about saying that is ludicrous.
2. First half DM did not have a GK so that's probably why they were down by 2 goals. I don't think anyone will deny that because Aidan had to play GK and it changed their whole style.
3. The pause shouldn't had have happened, but it happened. Also THE FACT is that no one can say for 100% that ball would have gone in.
4. Even if the ball did go in it would have been 2-1 at the time.
5. No one can say for sure what would happen next, well for certain it would alter the game.
6. Second half they played with ksd, and the game ended as 1-1.

You can't say we don't deserve the win if we won 3-1....

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Post by anglo on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:15

And besides, admins should always be neutral, else they shouldnt be admins.

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Post by Cam_Sampbell on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:15

anglo wrote:2-0.

No it isnt fair Cam. And that's just a silly comment. It could be the other way around then, they wanted admin to pause to get a rematch cuz they were down 2-0.

Nice ignoring of my points.

What could have happened isn't important. What did happen is important though, and what happened was that Sparta had an unfair advantage.

What would you say if you had played for DM anyway?

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Post by Mick on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:18

I'm with Aidan. Pausing to get the phone is ludicrous, especially in an FM league game. I don't even pick up the phone when I'm watching the TV and it's literally a few metres away. The second half should be replayed however, not the whole game. ( and play from 2-0)

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Post by Cam_Sampbell on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:18

OvoXo wrote:This is absolute bollocks you guys are talking about.

1. We didn't match fix this game. For someone to even think about saying that is ludicrous.
>> Read my post again, I said it could lead to it, I didn't anywhere say that it happened.
2. First half DM did not have a GK so that's probably why they were down by 2 goals. I don't think anyone will deny that because Aidan had to play GK and it changed their whole style.
>> Not relevant
3. The pause shouldn't had have happened, but it happened. Also THE FACT is that no one can say for 100% that ball would have gone in.
>> The potential isn't important. It shouldn't have happened, and needs to the fixed.
4. Even if the ball did go in it would have been 2-1 at the time.
>> Not relevant
5. No one can say for sure what would happen next, well for certain it would alter the game.
>> It could have done. Attempts at match-fixing can fail, but those attempting it are surely still guilty? Again, not saying you fixed it, it's a hypothetical situation.
6. Second half they played with ksd, and the game ended as 1-1.
>> Not relevant

You can't say we don't deserve the win if we won 3-1....

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Post by Ghost on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:22

Mick wrote:I'm with Aidan. Pausing to get the phone is ludicrous, especially in an FM league game. I don't even pick up the phone when I'm watching the TV and it's literally a few metres away. The second half should be replayed however, not the whole game. ( and play from 2-0)


Probably the most sensible thing posted in this thread so far. The same lineups must also be used.

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Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:23

Ovo you say the game would have been 2-1 yes, then we scored the second half so 2-2

The only reason you scored in the second half is because we had to go all out attack to try and make it 2-2

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Re: Deadly Monkees vs TI Spara

Post by Aidan on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:24

Play from 2-0 srs ? thats just missing out the whole thing about pausing the game when we were about to score if anything second half and 2-1 or full match replayed.

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Re: Deadly Monkees vs TI Spara

Post by Cam_Sampbell on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:24

Aidan wrote:Play from 2-0 srs ? thats just missing out the whole thing about pausing the game when we were about to score if anything second half and 2-1 or full match replayed.

Agreed. There have been rematches before, why not now?

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Post by Blazing on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:42

No need to replay the whole match, just that half.

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Post by Muddade on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:44

Why would you replay the 2nd half?

Re the first half, same lineups, 1-1.

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Post by Cam_Sampbell on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:51

Maddude wrote:Why would you replay the 2nd half?

Re the first half, same lineups, 1-1.

Why not just replay the whole game?

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Post by Muddade on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:53

Because the 2nd half they played with their strongest line-up and was the first half the incident happened?

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Re: Deadly Monkees vs TI Spara

Post by Deadly#N19 on Sun 22 Jul 2012, 23:55

why da fuq would u pause anyway ?

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