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Post by Lekumberri on Sun 15 Apr 2012, 23:43

We have heard something about the next season will be 4v4 trying to addapt to other European leagues. I don't know if that's true or not, but the fear has installed in our heads, so for that reason we are creating an anti 4v4 collective called "Anti 4v4 Collective".

Please, don't make a 4v4 league!!! Support the Anti 4v4 Collective putting it in your signature!!!


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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Dooms on Sun 15 Apr 2012, 23:50

i'm starting to kinda like 4v4 Smile

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by deerhaunter99 on Sun 15 Apr 2012, 23:54

I'm was against 4v4 at the start of the season, but now as long as there is a 3 man def rule, I'm all for 4v4 even though I'm better at 3v3, it's just more fun!

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Post by currybum on Sun 15 Apr 2012, 23:54

I used to be against 4v4, but after practicing and getting better I now enjoy it more than 3s

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Taylor Swift on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 00:02

4v4 > 3v3

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Lloyd Banks on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 00:05

Rachel wrote:4v4 > 3v3

oh how things change
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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Taylor Swift on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 00:08

Lloyd Banks wrote:
Rachel wrote:4v4 > 3v3

oh how things change

shut up i hate you

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Edgar Davids on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 00:16


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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Taylor Swift on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 00:18

can someone pls delete that thread

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by MoMo on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 00:23

Unfortunately, I don't think this is gonna work as its already been decided and pretty much everyone wants 4v4s now. Maybe the cup will now be 3v3s, or there could be another league for 3v3s. We'd probably have to organise that league like the way the reserves league is organised here otherwise it would be a hell of a workload for the admins.

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Post by rolex on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 00:45

i like 4v4, i dont have to do much lullis


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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Edgar Davids on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 00:57

but you fuck up what you do have to do



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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by rolex on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 00:59

fukin hell dat 0 guy is shit


tbf the pitch looked a little brighter than usual

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Cam_Sampbell on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 01:06

I was against 4v4, until I started playing it

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Taylor Swift on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 01:36

lekumberi pls

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by jonnyynnoj on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 01:47

Well this is going well.

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by TT on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 02:16

My view is influenced i guess by my situation here - many of you have had a long time to get used to (and bored of?) 3v3 - i was just becoming used to it & now with this change to 4v4, i'm pretty much back where i started as that game is very different in terms of skill required & time allowed to 3's. Also in the gk position in 3's, you can & do become actively involved in the game. But in the 4's with a good side in front of you, the involvement is much less...
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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Vargo on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 06:31

Tommy T wrote:My view is influenced i guess by my situation here - many of you have had a long time to get used to (and bored of?) 3v3 - i was just becoming used to it & now with this change to 4v4, i'm pretty much back where i started as that game is very different in terms of skill required & time allowed to 3's. Also in the gk position in 3's, you can & do become actively involved in the game. But in the 4's with a good side in front of you, the involvement is much less...

I see your point, but I must say that playing 4vs4 as GK gives better practice as there are more players and more possible situations to be aware of, while it forces you to trust your teammates to do their part aswell. While playing 4vs4, you'll still be very much effective in 3vs3. Even though you're not actively involved as much, your positioning are still very much important and you're still stopping some of those counterattacks and picking up loose balls. It's true though, the better you and your team are, the less time you'll be with the ball, but remember that sometimes just being on the right place on the right time is all you need to stop those counterattacks without even touching the ball.
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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by TT on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 09:36

You make some good points there Vargo.

it forces you to trust your teammates to do their part aswell

>> I've had to be told repeatedly NOT to commit to situations a team mate is already dealing with & it's finally beginning to sink in Smile

less time you'll be with the ball,

>> I guess this is the problem I have - to be in games all the time like that, never really getting a feel for the ball - when your confidence isn't great to begin with, it doesn't really help to improve as a player. I've started to try to play outside of goal (badly) for a change of scene...

I'm glad to see (or hear) that i'm not the only one who keeps having your song pop up in their head. I've played more than one game with those lyrics spinning round in mine Smile

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Vargo on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 11:44

Well if you're that uncomfortable without the ball, then maybe GK isn't the right position for you. If you still want to defend though I would recommend Defensive Mid as an alternative for 4vs4. It's very much alike to being GK in 3vs3 except with the confidence of having a teammate behind you should you lose the ball in their half.

As a DM your biggest responsibility is to make sure your GK never ends up in a 2vs1 situation and secondly provide a passing oppertunity for the attack. You'll also be taking alot of defensive corners, marking front post, marking attackers, intercepting crosses etc. It's all depending on your GK and how you both adapt to each others play. If he closes down, you cover the goal, if you take the corner, he'll take the front post. If your team use rigid positions, then you'll have an even more specific job which might be easier to start with when getting used to play with each other.


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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by TT on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 12:00

Well if you're that uncomfortable without the ball, then maybe GK is the right position for you

>> I'm not comfortable with the ball because through my own fault (playing nearly all the time in goal) i haven't really given myself the chance to develop the skills needed outfield.

If you still want to defend though I would recommend Defensive Mid as an alternative for 4vs4

>> Several have said I should try that - perhaps they are right though certain parts of my game are nowhere near the standard required to play that position effectively.

As a DM your biggest responsibility is to make sure your GK never ends up in a 2vs1 situation

>> I've had a few bollockings already from Joe for leaving these situations for the opponent Smile Sometimes it's difficult, just as when in 3v3 gk, to know when to challenge & when to hang back.

marking front post

>> You've spent too long with Cath Vargo - time to move on before front post syndrome really sets in Smile

It's all depending on your GK and how you both adapt to each others play

>> I guess that comes with time playing together - Cath and Opsee have shown what can be achieved with practice...


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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Taylor Swift on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 12:00

NEVER MOVE ON FROM FRONT POST SYNDROME

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by TT on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 12:04

I was actually expecting a barrage of FP chatter from Cath when Joe & I played a series of ts games with him - so i was pleasantly surprised when he only mentioned it once Smile

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Rvilla on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 12:22

Nothing to say, just look my signature.

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Post by rolex on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 12:28

Rachel wrote:NEVER MOVE ON FROM FRONT POST SYNDROME

#FRONTPOSTSYNDROME

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Vargo on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 14:39

I prefer the post for the simple reason that I suck in corners Razz
Though it's a good idea to practice your worst attributes.
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Post by TT on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 15:16

I prefer the post for the simple reason that I suck in corners

>> I'm not great in the corners either but i prefer them to sweating on the post as i like the feeling that i'm trying to do something to help Smile

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by -rising.star- on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 17:08

If you ask one of the big ones here, they'd tell you about what happeed about 2 months ago


I argued like hell in the chat to make the league 3s this season, and it succeeded:P

But I was proved wrong tbf, I find 4v4 much better and I feel it has improved me as a player. I thought it was very bad because i had never played much of it.

Try playing some 4s lek Smile

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Post by Sukh on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 17:14

4v4 > 3 v 3
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Post by Lekumberri on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 18:49

People talk like converted Jehovah's witnesses. Sad

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Post by TT on Mon 16 Apr 2012, 19:02

Maybe that's why i enjoyed our games so much the other day Lek - partly for the company, and partly for the fact you were playing the format i'm familiar with Smile

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Post by Usopp on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 09:27

I like 4v4 a bit more than I did a month ago but 3v3 is still more fun Razz

I also have some lag problems which is obviously worse with more players so I'm with Lek.
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Post by gavin peacock on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 13:21

im with lek, 3v3 is better in my opinion, if i knew how to change my sig to that I would. Is ti going to be 4v4 big or big easy?

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Post by deerhaunter99 on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 13:32

Hopefully 4v4 big with 3 man defence rule, but if people fail to grasp such a simple task then I'm afraid it'll have to go to 4v4 Big EZ

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Post by Ghost on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 14:20

deerhaunter99 wrote:Hopefully 4v4 big with 3 man defence rule, but if people fail to grasp such a simple task then I'm afraid it'll have to go to 4v4 Big EZ

Nope, they'll learn the hard way by forfeiting the game should they continue to abuse it.

4v4 Big, 7 minute halves, 3 man defence rule. Simples.

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Post by TT on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 14:23

Does one person have to be designated as the forward striker & respect that rule Ghost - or can that person be changed to suit the game situation? - ie provided one person is always respecting the rule, is that ok even if it's not the same one?

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Post by Ghost on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 14:29

Tommy T wrote:or can that person be changed to suit the game situation? - ie provided one person is always respecting the rule, is that ok even if it's not the same one?

Pretty much this. Usually 4v4 relies on having two forwards, and if the 'supporting striker' or attacking midfielder so to speak should happen to be a lot further up than the main forward, then it allows the striker to quickly get back and help and leave the attacking mid up. It takes a bit of practice to get used to but it's really not a difficult rule to follow, considering most strikers tend to cherry pick anyway.

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Post by gavin peacock on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 15:41

deerhaunter99 wrote:Hopefully 4v4 big with 3 man defence rule, but if people fail to grasp such a simple task then I'm afraid it'll have to go to 4v4 Big EZ
id much rather big easy tbh, ill find 4v4 on big gets crowded and the only goals tends to be flukey, i dont see how the 3 man defence rule is going to be enforced is it the fourth man cant help defend or must he stay in opposition half?

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by rolex on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 15:54

big easy is so shit


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Post by Usopp on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 15:57

rolex wrote:big easy is so shit


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Post by TT on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 16:00

Have to say i never warmed to big easy either - maybe because as gk in 3v3, i wasn't used to the size of the larger goal so tended to make stupid errors based on that - or we can say more stupid errors than usual Smile

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by rolex on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 16:12

if its big easy theres no way u can defend with 3 ppl all 4 players will have to be involved in defending

u can score on big, just look at cl, some sick goals were scored u jus gotta play well init

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Post by TT on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 16:19

I think in Nino's videos there are some great team goals on big normal...

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by Taylor Swift on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 17:19

Ghost wrote:
deerhaunter99 wrote:Hopefully 4v4 big with 3 man defence rule, but if people fail to grasp such a simple task then I'm afraid it'll have to go to 4v4 Big EZ

Nope, they'll learn the hard way by forfeiting the game should they continue to abuse it.

4v4 Big, 7 minute halves, 3 man defence rule. Simples.

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Post by Cathalio11 on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 17:22

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>> I guess that comes with time playing together - Cath and Opsee have shown what can be achieved with practice...


Practice is all you need guys. No need for constant practice. opc and I play rarely between matchdays and we still have the understanding that has led to us only conceding in 1 game this season together. We don't play every day, you just need to understand what each other will do.

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id much rather big easy tbh, ill find 4v4 on big gets crowded and the only goals tends to be flukey, i dont see how the 3 man defence rule is going to be enforced is it the fourth man cant help defend or must he stay in opposition half?

Well, it works perfectly in the German and French leagues mate. Flukey goals tend to be 20% of the case while the rest are normally great skill or poor defensive play.

As for the forward, it's rarely a rule broken. He tends to know he's a forward and is in the habit of never defending. Simple as that.

4v4 Big is certainly tested and it's certainly a success.

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Post by Mick on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 17:32

GKing in 4v4 is horrible, but midding in it is the funnest thing in haxball

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Post by Cathalio11 on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 17:38

Mick wrote:GKing in 4v4 is horrible, but midding in it is the funnest thing in haxball

It takes a lot more anticipation than it does in 3v3 anyways.

Though, they are way less influential towards the team's performance.

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Post by Edgar Davids on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 17:41

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Mick wrote:GKing in 4v4 is horrible, but midding in it is the funnest thing in haxball

It takes a lot more anticipation than it does in 3v3 anyways.

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You can't get away with rushing and spamming. Instead you have to get your positioning right every time and be a lot more conservative. Maybe not everyone's cup of tea but I prefer gking in 4s to 3s.

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Post by Constantinople on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 18:27

Mick wrote:GKing in 4v4 is horrible, but midding in it is the funnest thing in haxball


I actually prefer gking in 4v4. I find in 3v3 you are more of a sweeper keeper, whereas in 4v4 you are nore of a traditional gk who doesnt move that far from his goal and that suits my playing style I guess.

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Re: Anti 4v4 Collective

Post by rolex on Tue 17 Apr 2012, 18:31

wots a sweeper keeper

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